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    This dialogue took place on the View in response to a New York Post article that claims there is a new study approved by the Vatican on sin that concludes that ,“Men and women sin in different ways. Men are more given to lust; women to pride.“  The report quotes one monsignor about a study whose author remains curiously undisclosed.

The View.” Here is an excerpt:
 
Whoopi Goldberg: Realize the Vatican is the last word in all things that are god. For some folks. But explain how you suddenly can write new sins. You can't do that. 
 
Joy Behar: The pope is supposed to be infallible. He can say whatever he wants and people believe it. That's how it goes.
 
Goldberg: But that doesn’t make any sense. 
 
Barbara Walters: What do you think is the biggest sin?
 
Behar: Lust amongst priests.
 
Elizabeth Hasselbeck: Pedophilia. They put that in the year after.
 
Goldberg: The biggest sin?…Intolerance.

Both Hasselbeck & Bahar are ex catholics; Walters is a well known anti catholic and as for Whoopi Goldberg I am surprised at her intolerance and lack of preparation for the discussion. Not one of those women are informed or educated on the teachings of the Catholic Church. 

Ignorance is not bliss, it is in fact divisive and hurtful. I hope the truth below will help set the panelist and others free. 

FYI:THE VIEW

Papal Infallibility

by Jeffrey Mirus, PhD

(This is the response of Jeffrey Mirus to a question about papal infallibility addressed to him in the "Ask the Experts" section of EWTN Online Services.)

While the the First Vatican Council defined papal infallibility in 1870, you must understand that the date on which a doctrine is officially defined is not the date on which it becomes true. Rather, it was always true. It's just that different aspects of the Faith are challenged at different periods of history, and when a challenge occurs or a serious concern or question arises, then the Church will settle the difficulty by formally stating what the truth of the matter is -- to end the confusion. So papal infallibility has always been true, and, moreover, was accepted and practiced from the earliest times.

The evidence that papal infallibility is part of the Christian Faith comes from three sources.

SCRIPTURE

First, Scripture. Such passages as: "Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church; to you I give the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth is loosed in heaven", and "Do you love me, Peter. Feed my sheep", and "I have prayed for you, Peter, that your faith may not fail. You in turn must confirm your brethren", have always been taken to refer to a special role for Peter in the establishment of the Church, and special divine protection for Peter in the exercise of his authority.

HISTORY

Second, History. From the earliest times we see the bishops of Rome acting as if they had special authority in succession from St. Peter, and we also see the rest of the Church accepting their authority as if they knew it was genuine. Thus Pope Clement wrote to settle a problem in the Church of Corinth before the end of the 1st century. During the first few hundred years of Church history, moreover, many who were accused of heresy appealed from every corner of the known world to Rome for vindication or condemnation. The Fathers too repeatedly attest to the authority of the Roman See. And the Popes always had the decisive word at general councils, as when the Fathers of the Council of Chalcedon said in response to the Papal definition of the two natures of Christ, "Peter has spoken through Leo" -- and accepted it unhesitatingly.

LOGIC

Third, Logic. There are only two covenants, the old and the new. But the first Christians under the New Covenant had a living and infallible guide to the truth in Christ himself. Surely the lack of such a guide in future times would constitute yet another covenant -- the difference would be so radical. The argument runs as follows:

It is clear even from Scripture that Peter had a special commission and special powers from Christ to care for the flock of Christ, to bind and loose, and to confirm his brothers in faith -- indeed he had the very powers of the keys to the Kingdom. Obviously, these powers were essential to the Church as constituted by Christ. And Christ promised to be with the Church always to the end of time, and said that the powers of hell would not prevail against it.

Now, clearly Christ knew that Peter would not live until the end of time, so he must have intended that the power he gave to Peter would be carried on until His return. After all, Peter was to feed "my" (Christ's) sheep, and so was serving as the vicar of Christ in Christ's absence. When Peter died, a new vicar would take his place, and so on, until Christ returned to claim his own. The parable of the steward awaiting his Master's return is very much to the point.

Just as clearly, Peter's authority also enabled himself (and his successors) to set forth the manner in which their successors would be selected, either by choosing the successor personally before death, or by setting forth some other means -- eventually, election by the college of cardinals.

Moroever, if these special and essential powers were to pass out of existence, it would be proof that Christ was no longer with his Church and that the powers of Hell had indeed prevailed. Therefore, again, Christ must have intended successors to Peter.

For this reason, we are not at all surprised that subsequent popes claimed to have the Petrine power and that the early Christian community accepted it without question. As I indicated above, this authority was excercised by the fourth Pope, Clement, while St. John the Evangelist was still alive. The earliest Christians were in a position to know Christ's will from other sources than Scripture (just as we today, under the guidance of the Church, are able to learn from Tradition).

INFALLIBILITY ITSELF

Now we come to the specific question of infallibility, by which the successors of Peter continue to confirm the brethren. Since the successors of Peter have the same Petrine authority, which comes ultimately from Christ, to bind and loose, they have the authority to bind the faithful in matters pertaining to salvation -- that is, in faith or morals. Now, if a Pope could bind the faithful to error, it would be a clear triumph of the powers of Hell, because the entire Church would be bound to follow the error under Christ's own authority. Obviously, this cannot happen.

Therefore, the logic of the situation demands that the Petrine power of confirming the brethren must be an infallible power. When the Pope intends by virtue of his supreme authority to teach on a matter of faith and morals to the entire Church, he MUST be protected by the Holy Spirit from error -- else the powers of hell would prevail.

This is the logic behind infallibility. But, of course, it is not based solely on logic, since it is attested in Scripture and was held by the earliest Christians and the Fathers and, indeed, by the vast majority of Christians from the beginning.

Further, it is not a new thing. It was precisely defined at Vatican I in order to clarify what was at that time a confusing issue, but this was by way of stating clearly what Christ's teaching was, not by way of adding anything new. Vatican I therefore carefully enumerated the conditions under which the Pope was in fact infallible -- the same conditions which logic demands, which Scripture suggests, and which tradition shows us in action down through the centuries.

When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".

 
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1st in your response "Copy and paste quote" "You must understand" is a misleading of a persons intellect. No person must understand anything. On the contrary one must deliberate the statements made. While the pope may be the leader of the Catholic Church, he is not recognized by all of Christendom as a leader of all Christianity. However reverred the pope may be among catholics he is mearely a man. He carries no special office in the eyes of those who do not lean to a catholic persuasion. If catholics deam it necessary to deify the office of the pope that is their right and nobody should interfere with them. While with the same respect catholics need to stop trying to get "Protestants" as they call those who are not of their particular faith to have the same feelings about their leader. When God blessed mankind with eternal life through his Son's redemptive work he made all who believe in him preists. The bible also emphatically states that God is not a respecter of men. We are all his children none greater than the other as Jesus rebuked those who asked who among them would be greater in heaven. Level the playing field and learn to respect others and your level of respect in the world of Christian will improve. At this time in history I can see how it might be important to impart this theory of infalibility of the papacy considering the outcry for honesty from the Vatican concerning all of the scandal concerning sexual misconduct of children by catholic preists. It seems to me to be extremely contradictory for catholics to claim to be the leaders of the prolife movement and at the same time be found guilty of child sexual abuse on such a great amount of children.

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South: This year in September, WINTEL (Windows+ Intel) allied disintegrate, microsoft adds the support to ARM formally, do you think what kind of sense this has to ARM?

Wu Xiong holds high: The technology that is mark ARM is to be on floating platform not only, on other equipment, its advantage also is approved. But actually ARM is not to value PC this market, the reason has two sides, volume of shipment of the first ARM has -589934592 probably this year, PC market is smaller, ARM gain is accredit relying on IP, we more the quantity that those louis vuitton outlet who care is the market, and do not care about PC this particular market. The 2nd, qiao Busi releases Ipad2 to had announced " hind PC times " begin, past PC is acting two parts, one is the office device that business uses distinguishing feature, one is be taken by consumer online platform, apparently this platform had a lot of drawback in the past, brought an opportunity to us.

Will tell to us, the space that future grows does not depend on dinkum PC domain. We welcome the support of Windows, but this does not mean us to be able to replace PC, and the support of Win8 is told to us is a very main software partner. Be told at the same time to our client partner, include a few clients of China, having a great sense is the support that has this Windows, they can develop a few new markets, not be to use the user of flat computer to want to use an apple or Android, the Windows that also can use Microsoft of course the equipment of these types.

"ARM framework suits more super this "

South: Industry pays close attention to the competition between ARM and X86 very much, as the aggravate of 3C confluence, ARM is increased with what target market overlaps between Intel. You how look upon is the Intel chip mobile phone in layout, and Intel near future weighs golden thrust " super this " business.

Wu Xiong holds high: Will look at present, we did not see Intel is in the dominant position with mobile phone true domain, a few this years they often also announce to release the thing of this type, but do not have the response with specific what finally in the market. So we want wait and see what happens.

Super this frivolous, batteries is abiding, this is first-rate concept, the equipment of this one type can have good market for certain. But will tell conversely, this kind of market suits ARM to add the combination of Windows more. We see the group that they are aimed at, basically be the demand that gets online in order to satisfy customer is given priority to at present, if be the word that sells a site with such is, that ARM is right X86 more some advantages. On the other hand, it is important that the compatibility problem of old software has many in the market, still wait for test and verify. Super now this the directest competitor is Macbookair, but I see the person that uses these device is not very strong to the compatibility demand of old software. So I feel, the chip that the chip that exceeding is ARM after all originally extremely still is X86 more is much, want finally to see the part of the person that use. If use person should use firm office going to work, still be the person that uses X86 so more, but if buy these frivolous computer,use consumption purely, so likely the dominant position of X86 is not large, because its power comsumption is big, cost is higher. The 2nd, I feel, exceed the reason that can succeed originally extremely, look namely from business affairs, business affairs personage or meeting choose such platform. So must is told, the equipment demand of this one type or meeting are more. But inside X86 and ARM hold some share or should see particular market.

South: You how market of flat of look upon mountain fastness? Why in those days does mountain fastness get online to rise without development originally?

Wu Xiong holds high: Homebred medium and small businesses is much but come loose and small, these are opposite and character dimensions still belongs to medium or small enterprise how to be opposite with international resource receive, also be a key. ARM China begins to do such a few shirt-sleeve works now. This year, they 5 chip industry takes a China ARM partner congress, the AndroidCommunity that assists they and cereal song establishs communication mechanism; In the past this respect, domestic company is in an unfavorable situation quite, nobody gives him " endorse " , themselves goes seeking a partner, the someone is not willing to offer true cooperation with them. Next, what we do is software development, we roll out tool of a few development, include a few free version to be used to medium and small businesses, because be in this times, software application development is the competition ability that decides a product finally. The key that also is our next year waits in collaboration of talent education, developer.

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